Cavalier King Charles with EPI

[JJinOhio]

Thank you both!!!

[JJinOhio]

Hi all with an update on William... He had a PERFECT two weeks once we started the Tylan powder (1/8 tsp 2xdaily), and either a micrazym 10000 or encapsulated powder (4 size 1 pills). He is 17 lbs and gets 1/2 food 2x daily. Within 24 hours of starting the Tylan it was like I had a brand new dog.

However, with nothing changed, he has started to have occasional diarrhea. I'd say 40% of the time he is normal, 50% normalish but on the softer side with OCCASSIONAL mucus lining and then 10% loose. His gas has returned too (audible gas and burps) although less than before.

Can they get used to the Tylan powder? His weight and energy all seem great! Label says give 1/16 tsp but I am doing 1/8 tsp based on what I read on here. Maybe I am giving too much?

While I am seeking input...

I understand William should have 1/2 tsp of the pancreatic powder with his 1/2 cup food but I can do 1/4 tsp becuase I am encapsulating it. I fill up 4 size 1 capsules. Does this sound right?

Thank you!

[jilbert57]

Personally at 17# I would drop to the 1/16 t 2x/day.
Are you noticing loose stools after microzym AND powdered enzymes ?
I would keep things the same and drop to the suggested dose forhis weight.
Is he still eating Natural Balance?

Jill

https://epi4dogs.com/antibiotics/


Tylan (Tylosin Tartrate) Dosage Guide

13kg/30 lb – 1/8 tsp
27kg/60 lb – 1/4 tsp
41kg/90 lb – 3/8 tsp
54kg/120 lb – 1/2 tsp
twice per day

[JJinOhio]

Yes, same food (natural balance). I switched back to the encapsulated powder in case it was the micrazym. Did that for a week but still having the inconsistency so then went back to micrazym this week to see if one made a difference.

I did see in the micrazym thread, opening the pill worked better than giving the capsule. I’ll try that too but know he’s having the same issue w the powder form.

Will definitely cut back to 1/16th tylan! Thank you.

[jilbert57]

Yes, open the capsule and have your pup eat right then. Maybe that will help.
Let us know.

Jill

[JJinOhio]

Thanks, Jill. Will do!

[Olesia711]

What you are describing does sound like SID....... typically, what we try to start with is:

1. SLightly increase the amount of enzymes.... to compensate for the possibility that the food is not ideal.
2. Give Tylan Even giving a "little" more is acceptable, but i agree, back down to 1/16 tsp twice a day.

BUT............ you are already doing this so we need to fine tune something!

Based on what you are doing, YES, open the micrazym, sprinkle on the damp food and see if that slightly improves the poo... if yes, but still not perfect..... go ahead and give a little more micrazyme (open another capsule and add approx 1/4 of the micrazym little pellets to the meal... see if increased enzyme help.

ALso.... want to mention the B12..... he is still getting B12, yes? his B12 was very low and sometimes low B12 can also display with loose stools.... just saying!

ANd last but not least... what you might need to do if the above "tweaks" don't fix things, is that i would look at changing the food......when SID keeps getting out of control, more times than not, it is that something in the diet simply is not agreeing.... even if it was agreeable in the past.

Are you still feeding "Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Grain-Free Salmon & Sweet Potato Small Breed Bites Recipe Dry Dog Food" (which is really a great food.....so it might be hard to find something else... but maybe you can try a small sample of other foods??)

i am wondering if it is possible that the sweet potato in this product might not be so agreeable. Usually sweet potatoes are EXCELLENT... but every so often, along comes a dog that just doesn't do well on sweet potatoes (like my current dogs) and i was working with a GSD EPI dog a few years back and it took kept having bouts of out of control SID, no matter what we tried.... turns out that dog also had issues with the sweet potato ingredient. I am not saying tat this is what is going on... but i have also learned to never say never............

[Eddiespaghetti]

What is his ideal weight? One cup a day is on the lower end of what a 17 pound pupper needs.
What I would try is, increasing to 3/4th cup twice and day and give (2) micrazym with each meal.
While I love micrazym, it is really hard to accurately give 1.5 capsules.
I was the one who made the micrazym post and with Eddie, I think find it better to open the capsules. I am not sure why it is like that though.

[Olesia711]

been thinking some more about little William ... and "sometimes" when having a little difficulty getting iffy SID under control.... if you give SAMe that often helps. It's like extra strength Milk thistle (cleanse the liver).

I personally give my dog VetriScience SAMe.... you can give it until the poos improve ... or (according to my vet) it can be given on a steady basis).
If interested.... call your vet and ask if it would be okay to try:

Dose is by dog's weight ... here is an example:
https://www.chewy.com/vetriscience-vetr ... EgQAvD_BwE

[Chance]

It can take a little trial and error with the enzyme dose. Sometimes it seems "good" when just giving tiny doses of enzymes in the beginning; like the body says "ooooh, enzymes! Yay"! Then it realizes, oh, I need a little more!

I haven't tried Micrazym, but I've had 2 dogs on Creon (which is supposed to be virtually identical; but the jury is still out on that).

With both of my monsters, I've tried various methods of giving it. I've tried opening capsules and sprinkling (no mixing) and feeding immediately. I've tried giving pills and waiting 5 minutes. I've tried giving pills and immediately feeding. And when I've been stupid and forgot a dose, I've given pills right after a meal. Also done that when I have dropped food and had it hoovered almost before it hit the ground. With each method, I've had exactly the same results. So ultimately I've found it easier to just pill and feed. But every dog is different. Some have reported different results with one method vs another. Sooo... it *might* make all the difference. But I'm not convinced yet.

But definitely try opening and sprinkling. If you don't see improvement within a couple of days, I would also suggest increasing the dose. Giving half pills can be a pain in the bitt, but sometimes it's necessary. It doesn't have to be exact. It doesn't need to look perfect. I've gotten quite adept at working with half capsules! I personally keep the "empties", just for such occasion. So I always have full capsules and half caps on hand. The half capsules are good with meals; but also when I give treats! I don't want to give full doses for treats, so having halves all ready is handy. (I give 1.5 caps of Creon 25,000).