Arthritis meds?

[Greyden]

Hi
Wondering what meds might be useful for arthritis. Dot has bone spur and chipped bone in her front elbow from launching off the porch.
She is subject to seizures so librela is out.
Vet suggested Galliprant - adverse reactions listed look to rule it out for an EPI dog.
Also suggested Daduquin which I haven't researched yet..
Anyone out there treating pain in EPI dog with arthritis?
Thanks!

[Olesia711]

Hi Gwen,

I would start with Dasequin first..... but.... you might want to look up Springtime Joint & Health....a long time ago... i did a comparison and found that Springtime Joint & Health
https://www.springtimeinc.com/category/ ... upplements
was actually more potent but less expensive than Dasequin (EnzymeDiane turned me on to this Springtime product ) anyway.. not sure if since then the formula has changed... but it worked wonders for my dog... and i initially started with Dasequin via ,y vet, but when i switched to Springtime... i thought it appears to work better.

The other thing that seemed to help years ago with arthritis in dogs (and my 90 year old arthritic mom too ) was Dr. Baker's Canine SYstem Saver
https://caninesystemsaver.com/
... i saw a dramatic difference with my dog (and my mom) within 5 days of taking this product. (we used the human version for my mom, but turns out, it was the same stuff!) when i ran out of it for my mom.... within a week she was struggling to lift a gallon of milk... when she started back on this product once again, within 5 days, she was back to being able to lift a gallon of milk . I am only sharing my mom story cause it was something i was able to quantify with the gallon of milk... my dog was much more active after being on the canine version... but i don't know how to quantify it except to say, he felt better.

IF the above doesn't work... THEN i would try the Galliprant. i know others have tried it and were pleased with it....

[Greyden]

Hi Olesia,
Thanks for the info. Had also thought of Addquan but didn't see much improvement with Bob when we tried it on him.
Going to look up Dr Baker's stuff
Thanks again
Gwen

[Chance]

Dasequin is a very good glucosamine/condroitin product. Definitely worth looking into.

The best product for arthritis is actually proteolytic enzymes. Chance had very severe arthritis in his elbows before his 1st birthday. So maintaining him was a challenge.

I discovered proteolytic enzymes, which really was a game changer. Basically, it's certain digestive enzymes given between meals. This allows it to enter the bloodstream to break down the fibrin proteins from the joints and nerve endings.

Once diagnosed with EPI, I did take in the supplement to the vet to get his input on continuing, despite being on digestive enzymes at meals. I also contacted the manufacturer of the product to get their input. Both assured me it was fine. Digestive enzymes don't stay in the system very long at all. So by the time I was ready to give the joint supplement, the mealtime enzymes were long gone.

The product I used most was Wobenzyme. That was what was used most in clinical trials. But it's harder to find now, so I just try to find other products and match it's ingredients. There's tons out there, and I'm sure many are quite good. I now have Zymactive and Rutin which I use myself when I jolt the screws in my leg, etc. It does help prevent the inevitable flare up that ALWAYS happens, or at least reduce severity to tolerable levels!

So research proteolytic enzymes for arthritic pain. There's a lot if info as to the science behind them, and what benefits it offers. It even has before and after MRI images; if you want to read all of the science I'm actually thinking of starting Rylee on them a couple of times a week when she's about 3 or 4 years old, just to try to help prevent fibrin build up when she's older. Because it truly was a godsend for Chance, who according to his orthopedic surgeon, would never see his 3rd birthday!

Basically that's something I gave (or take myself) about 3 hours after a meal, or at least 45 minutes prior to a meal. (The Dasequin type supplements, you can still give with meals).

[Olesia711]

Thanks Andrea.... i forgot about proteolytic enzymes....... they also work really well.

In short you can just give Bromelain (from pineapple) as it is a proteolytic enzyme. Lots of sports doctors give this to athletes when they have an injury as it helps with the healing process.

Thanks for mentioning this!

[Chance]

With Bromelain alone, it depends on the severity. It alone wasn't enough for Chance or I. But in early stages, it with Desequin would go a long way.

For more severe cases, you might need more. Bromelain helps with pain and inflammation. Trypsin helps with removing dead cells and growing new cells. Rutin helps protect cells from free radicals. So in more severe cases, you might get more success from the 3 ingredients combined.

Wobenzyme has Bromelain, papain, pancreatin, Trypson and Rutin. It definitely did a lot more than bromelain alone (which I had used alone for a months)

With Chance, especially as he got older, he needed at least the 3 ingredients in the proteolytic enzymes. But again, his elbows were extremely severe.

[Olesia711]

Andrea.... since i never heard of Wobenzym, and it peaked my interested (thanks).... i am guessing it is a human product ???? Because this is what popped up when i searched it:
https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Join ... c=1&sr=8-1
... made by Garden of LIfe... which typically has very good products

[Chance]

Yes, Wobenzym is a human product. At one time, the had both Wobenzym and Fido-wobenzym. Fido obviously being the canine one. both had identical ingredients and strengths. Ultimately Fido one was discontinued, as there really was no need for both.

Douglas Labratories created the product. Garden of Life bought it out a couple of years ago.

Medizym (sp)? Was another one that was available...not sure if it still is? It had identical ingredients and strengths to Wobenzym, but sold at a slightly cheaper price in the US. It had a green label. (In Canada it was double the price, so Wobenzym was the more economical). I've seen a similar product name sold here, but very different ingredients.

[Olesia711]

thanks Andrea.... i just wanted to make sure i was looking at the same product.

[Greyden]

WOW! What great information! I have lots of research to do

Thank you soooo much