Beef Enzyme alternatives

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Beef Enzyme alternatives

Post by GlassWolf » 23 Mar 2023, 17:31

Does anyone know of any good, affordable beef enzymes? Unfortunately Enzyme Diane is unable to stock hers. I emailed and she suggested Thrive Enzymes as an alternative, but with all of the amounts that I've calculated so far, I would need to order 8 bottles of 90grams per month to cover a 65lb Shepherd and that's the LOW end of 2-3tspns per cup. $500 minimum per month for enzymes is so unapproachable. :cry: :cry:

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Re: Beef Enzyme alternatives

Post by Jean » 24 Mar 2023, 06:01

do you have a slaughter house or a butcher that can give the beef pancreas

is your dog intolerant of porcine enzymes
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My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

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We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Post by GlassWolf » 24 Mar 2023, 17:20

My dog does SEEM to be intolerant to pork enzyme. When first diagnosed, the vet had us try 3 or 4 quite expensive, different prescription enzymes all to the same effect. He was having virtually all of the same diarrhea issue as he was without. Once I switched him over to Ancestral Supplements, the issue seemed to resolve. He started taking more solid; albeit still light tan, poops.

Fastforward three months later, even though his poop has been more solid, he's gained no weight at all. Upon looking into it, Enzymes Diane suggests twice the amount of enzyme I have been giving. Unfortunately, while her enzymes are far more affordable to the amount I would need to start giving him, Diane doesn't have any idea when she would be able to get any beef enzyme back in stock.

I guess I should really look into a local butcher.

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Post by jilbert57 » 24 Mar 2023, 17:34

How were you fixing the powdered porcine enzymes on the food? Thanks

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Post by missellie » 27 Mar 2023, 20:35

Are there any other enzymes other than bovine or porcine?

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Post by jilbert57 » 28 Mar 2023, 09:30

There is Creon which is a capsule filled with microspheres that have enzymes in them. The spheres are coated to make it through the stomach acid. Don't think they are beef.
Also beef raw pancreas you could try.
Here you can read about enzymes:

https://epi4dogs.com/enzyme-list/

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My name is Jill and we live on the Hood Canal in Washington State. We currently have 2 Jack russells, TJ is 8 and Sadie is 2.

Mickey and his pancreatitis brought me to Epi4dogs.com site in 2012 to help manage it.
He lived from 6/99 - 8/2014

Mickey, Jack Russell. Chronic Pancreatitis. Dianes enzymes, 1/8t 3x/day with meals.

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Post by Jean » 29 Mar 2023, 11:47

Creon is definitely Porcine

lets rewind here

Can you tell us how you were preparing the enzymes you had

what were they as brand ?

how much were use using to say a cup of kibble , I have just seen you are maybe giving 2-3 teaspoons per cup , that is far too much , too much enzyme is as bad as too little , this could have been causing the continuing diaorhea

the usual amount is one teaspoon per one cup kibble

Did your vet prescribe any B12 supplement

where you giving enzymes with every morsel of food , and no treats in between feeds

how many feeds per day'

what food

sorry about all the questions and if you have answered thenm before , sorry , just keep up so we can offer advice

if you can get us up to speed on your routine then we can help

Finally, has your dog been positively diagnosed with EPI by cTLI blood test with 12 hour food fasting

the supplement you mention isnt one for EPI dogs specifically

https://ancestralsupplements.com/


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My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Post by Chance » 06 Apr 2023, 16:01

Thrive is a freeze dried beef pancreas in Canada. I Did try it when I was stuck waiting for enzymes from the US. It kinda works, but it takes a lot (being beef pancreas, it's weaker). But I am feeding a raw food which is higher in fat; so it might be better if you feed lower fat than I do.

Have you considered Creon? While it is pork based, it works very differently than powdered enzymes, and sometimes is okay for those with problems with pork. It is enteric coated (which means 1. You use much, much less. 2. Unlike powdered, it only breaks down once it reaches the small intestine).

Creon can be ordered from your pharmacy (with a prescription from the vet). I would suggest trying it if you haven't yet. It would be cheaper than the Thrive (one jar of that would last me about a week). If it doesn't work, then try the Thrive .

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Post by Jean » 06 Apr 2023, 17:02

thank you for your input and this is interesting information

I am from the UK so it's important we know what us available abroad

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My name is Jean we live in Liverpool in Uk

I am the Forum Director which I am very proud of

My Kara born 21 July 2009 diagnosed with EPI by cTLI test August 2010 TLI = <1...folate 14 Cobalamin 408, shot down to 94, b12 injections every other day

Lowest weight 39 pounds

We used Panzym enzymes, Tylan and Chemeyes b12 capsules

Sadly, on 10th May 2019, we lost her to DM


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Re: Beef Enzyme alternatives

Post by GlassWolf » 22 Apr 2023, 20:23

I totally forgot I had this thread open, but it seems to have been commandeered somewhat by someone else's questions and confused with parts of mine, so I'll attempt to counter-steer.

I'm currently giving my dog 2-3 teaspoons of BEEF enzyme, not pork. Pork he would still have been receiving 1 teaspoon and I was mixing it in with his kibble with enough water to get all of the enzyme pasty. Still had issues now matter how much I seemed to increase or decrease the amount.

On the other hand, I think we're going to be asap visiting an internal specialist to figure out why he's having so much issue. Unfortunately so far, scheduling with any of them is "we'll call you when our unknown window of availability opens up". I'm currently still feeding him beef enzyme, which DOES work better than the pork, but I still can't get him to gain any weight.

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